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Sunday, September 24, 2006

Is Evangelicalism Sexist?

After two weeks we finished this chapter. Last week it was myself and two of you and this last Sunday we had a few more of you show up. We divvied up the chapter five ways and we each report on a section of the chapter. I enjoyed hearing from everyone and their contributions to each section. Like the chapters to come, Campolo isn't shy about what he believes. Although not all of us agreed with all of what Campolo was talking about I feel that these are important things that evangelicals should be talking about.

Women as preachers
Campolo starts these sections off by explaining , at a gathering of Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, how he declared the prevention of women from being ordained as an evil practice. He was told that these were heated words and there could have been a better way to express his feelings. He continues to explain why he believes it is evil to keep women from the pulpit by an explanation of 1 Timothy 2:11-12 which has been a scriptural basis for many in their belief of men only preachers. He also explains that the church being an institution that leaders are also able to be influenced by evil forces as described in Ephesians 6:12 .Campolo shares personal stories that has contributed to his belief in women preaching and teaching. I shared another interpretation of the 1 Timothy passage that explains, in my mind, why Paul was not forbidding women to teach but more so new believers who happened to be women due to the surrounding religious Diana cult and culture. Click to here to download a copy of my former professor's (Kenneth Waters) article that was published in a European theological journal. It's a little on the technical side but worth reading.

C is Cookie and S is for Submission
Campolo points out of the church's reinforcement of society's stratification of the genders. Namely, he points out how Promise Keepers although has made positive contributions to the outside world such as repenting of racist and sexual sin but still upholds the "head of the household" role for men. Interestingly enough although Campolo would say that Promise Keepers has reinforced an old idea of what it means to be manly, an article in Biola Connections magazine called, "The Feminization of the Church" charges that the church and promise keepers are to "girly" for many men. If you want to read the article, you can do so here. We discussed that Religiousness seems to be overgeneralized as "girly" and that certain spiritual concepts end up looking weak such as: compassion, sacrifice, pacifism, and etc. As far as marriage, Campolo seems to be more of an Egalitarian, where he would contend that the marriage is a equal partnership not as some would derive from Ephesians 5:22-24. One person during our study shared that they disagreed with Campolo's view on marriage and so to look at the two ways Christians may view marriage here's an article from Christianity Today. This is interesting when you are dating someone and thinking of marriage. It can be difficult if you as a guy who believes a women should do house stuff and she believes in working a job. Or if you're a women and you believe that your mate should support you and then your husband sees you as lazy.

Feminists vs. Evangelicals and Ying and Yang
Many would believe that feminism in the Evangelical "F" word. Here Campolo talks about how Feminists and Evangelicals need not to be at each other's throats. Although issues such as abortion do keep Feminists and Evangelicals apart, Campolo argues that they have more common than some Evangelicals may recognize. One example that I found, was while listening to KPFK (a progressive non-corporate sponsored radio channel) a women who is considered a feminist, talked about women, marriage, and children She felt that many women have felt trapped into marriage by wedlock or saw marriage as a vehicle for having children. She mentioned that women should be able to make their own choices on career and marriage. Sound like a commercial for abortion? Maybe not, if we provided more resources to young people other than the opposite of an Nike ad (Just don't do it) and made sex a more comfortable subject to talk about than maybe abstinence would seem so difficult. There also seems to be a large push from the "court don't date" crowd for Christians to find a mate and many would approve of early marriage. What do you if you are seventeen and you just want to hang out with the opposite sex? Although I believe abstinence is the best option for Christians, what happens when you have the hormonal teenage couple who have put themselves in a pickle and do not use preventive measures and a baby shows up? Yes it is true that a condom does not cover the heart, but a condom looks a lot better than thought of abortion, the difficulty of adoption, or the challenge of being a parent. Then again condoms don't always work. In any case, Evangelicals should be encouraging of Women defining their relationship and plan' by what God would have them do, which is not always about who one is marry and how many children to have. Although these things are important, it is a woman's dedication to Jesus and her contribution to the kingdom that is far more important than "finding a man." In fact the Apostle Paul writes,"Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband." 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 Still, being horny is not a good reason to get married.

Lastly, Campolo talks about Yin and Yang and how the church has polar opposites in theology and prayer due to masculine and feminine qualities. He writes about how God/Jesus is whole encompassing both types of qualities.

"I am not advocating what might be called 'the feminist agenda', with any of variant expressions. What I am suggesting here is that Evangelicals abandon the stereotypical differentiations of male and female and find in Christ the declaration of a new humanity that He incarnates for all of us."
-Tony Campolo

5 Comments:

Blogger Daniel Lopez said...

Please share your thoughts. When you don't, Taylor B -oh wait that's too obvious, T Boyd gets sad.

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

T Boyd will be posting on WED night. so check then. prepare to be blown away.

5:55 PM  
Blogger Daniel Lopez said...

I was wondering when you are using the word “orthodox” do you mean the more liturgical branches of Christianity (Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox)? Or do you mean what is considered Christian? “I think, essentially, and I'm surprised Campolo doesn't say anything about this, the leaders of the protestant movement wanted to have their cake and eat it too.” When you refer to having cake what do you mean? As for leadership in the Bible there are examples of female preachers, prophetesses, leaders, and those who spread the gospel (Phebe, Romans 16). “The thing is that by breaking the apostolic succession the person in the pulpit is simply a preacher and not an apostle or priest and the Bible makes it clear that women are given the gift of preaching and prophesy.” If I understand correctly, women can preach and prophesy but not be a priestess because it does not reflect the Christ married to the church model, correct? I would still contend that if women have gifts of teaching, preaching, and all other gifts bestowed upon all believers why not a leader/pastor/priestess? Isn’t the church in its entirety married to Christ not individual representatives? Is this not a metaphor (Christ the bridegroom) and not literally?

9:39 AM  
Blogger Skybalon said...

Those Who Knew Him Called Him Jack

To say a high church's position is built "mainly on the idea of the priest as intercessor..." may in part be true, but as it is explained here, it misunderstands or overlooks a good deal of the theology underlying that position. It's silly to say this is a more "orthodox" position for a number of reasons. One is that it suggests orthodoxy is not a changing historically conditioned concept; another is that it seems to be used here as a way to dismiss one position and support another without carefully or critically understanding how that position is itself tenuous and contingent on some other important things. In short, it fails to see that this position rests on an understanding of humanity and sacraments that is neither scriptural nor orthodox simply as it is.

There are a few things to consider here, but I'll get right to the point. First, consider scripture. Scriptures that seem to limit the teaching and authoritative role of women notwithstanding (and understood correctly in light of the whole testimony of the Spirit and scripture), it is difficult to support a.) the practice of creating a separate class of ordained priests within the church or b.) limiting the priesthood that does exist to men. Questions about the role of women in the church are being conflated with the nature of priesthood within the church.

The idea of a separate priestly class in the New Covenant community (the church) is not one that is easily supported scripturally. Rather, we see much more clearly the idea that anyone that is a Christian is, ex officio, a priest. That is, the role of priest is given to all- everyone in the church functions as and is called a priest. We have the responsibility of serving each other and God as priests if we are a Christian. At least that's how the New Testament writers seem to understand the idea of a fulfilled priesthood. In other words, you do not find a priestly class as we have now in high churches in the New Testament community, i.e. the early church. According to the description of the church we have scripturally, women and men are priests if they are Christians. Priests are intercessors; but we are all intercessors for each other as priests. Now one may rightly discuss apostolic authority and the role of bishops and other described positions, but we miss quite a bit if we assume only some in the church are priests. In fact, it seems to be a pretty central aspect of being a Christian- knowing that we are now priests if we are in Christ.

Now about those sacraments... If we subscribe to the idea that a person literally conveys grace to another person via some incantations and movements, a priestly class is necessary. So we chuck both the scriptural understanding of a priesthood and the nature of God's immediate grace, and say priests are these grace antennae. Much of the argument against women as priests rests upon who we say is qualified to convey this grace and why. (Strangely, it is not based upon those few verses that others use to exclude women from leadership). A classical and medieval metaphysical understanding of the world holds that women are inherently flawed: they are incomplete men. As such, they are not good enough to be a medium of grace. This doesn't speak to the idea of apostles and bishops or women teaching; those are separate issues. Here it is simply a matter of women not being good enough to be vessels for grace. Jesus was a man so priests should be men (although they don't have to be 30 year old Jewish carpenters from Palestine- go figure). The idea that women cannot be priests depends on a particular understanding of the world that then elicits a particular understanding of scripture.

If we think that only some have access to grace and therefore only some can be priests, if we think only some can be priests, and also think of the whole of society as being under the authority of the church- well then we might think of priests as being a distinct class within that society administering sacraments to people that may or may not be Christians. This is what Augustine and Aquinas were dealing with, for example, so this is the theology they articulated. And now it lingers. In this sense, it might be orthodox- but it is not more orthodox. That is, it is orthodox for the particular community that happens to share the unique conditions that lead to that understanding. But there are no degrees of that.

Uh-oh- is that that scary relativism rearing it's ugly head? No, it's understanding that God communicates to us as we exist just as He created us- in real, concrete historical conditions. It isn't that those changing conditions rule- but that we seek to understand what God is calling us to in light of those conditions. This requires a couple of things a.) that we be faithful to the God we encounter in scripture, even through our historical conditions, and b.) the statements we make about God in our lives are more hopeful than definitive so must be made graciously. Saying something is not orthodox is not helpful- orthodoxy simply serves as a reference point for agreement (unfortunately though, more often as a point for abuse). More pointedly, if we are claiming to be of the same Body of Christ, saying an other's position is not orthodox idolizes our opinions and denies the real work of God. It is always helpful to remember the source of those opinions and not be too heavy handed with them. After all, the tradition that found its origin in the desires of a philandering king seeking to divorce his wife does not seem likely to be the source of universal understanding.

The sexism of culture historically and the nature of gender in the church is worth discussing, but as with anything, we have to make distinctions.

p.s. I like the idea of posting highlights (and I guess the lowlights) of your Sunday School discussions so that others can participate. At least that's what I am assuming it is for- that's why I get to participate without going to EWFC. Plus I'm a jerk- look how long my response is.

1:15 PM  
Blogger Skybalon said...

Uh... who's Robert?

Anyway, that's a helpful clarification.

I can't speak for Tony Campolo but I would guess it's not a perspective mentioned because he is writing for the evangelical community. Even though I might disagree with him on some finer points about what or who that community is, for him the high church tradition would not be a part of it. Because of that, he wouldn't be too concerned with what that tradition thinks of what he takes to be an issue internal to evangelicalism.

If I could speak for Campolo, maybe he would say something like that. That, and, what happened to my hair?

3:37 PM  

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